Post 1 IMFA Mx Things
As we mentioned some time ago, we’ve been working on an Index of Mx Things — which
we’re almost ready to unveil — but in the meantime, we’ve found two more Mx place
names, both in CA, that we’d love to gather some historical insight on.
1) Mullinix Way, San Jose, California 95136 (Latitude: 37.2815684, Longitude: -121.857219);
2) Mullinix Drive, Coronado, California USA 92118 (Latitude: 32.6914824, Longitude:
Though they’re spelled the same, the fact that they’re about 460 miles apart, makes
us suspect that that they’re not named for the same person, family, business or
organization. But so far, we've hit a brick wall as to how they got their names.
Do you know the history behind these two places? If so, please let us know.
Thanks, the IMFA team.
Post 2 IMFA - Mx Objects and Artifacts
For some time now we’ve been saying that we’re gonna be debuting a new feature on
our IMFA Homepage. Well the time has come.
Jim Mx, our Webmaster has put together the core (how much it grows will depend on
all of you) of an index of Mx-oriented objects. (See:
Mx Objects and Artifacts )
Officially called “Mx Objects and Artifacts” (unofficially The Index of Mx Stuff),
it currently includes 13 categories: Advertising, Artifacts, Artworks, Books, Certificates,
Furniture, Lost or Missing, Maps, Military, Plants, Postcards, Products, and Signs
(we can add new categories as necessary.)
To give you a taste of what’s in there here are two lightly edited items of particular
interest, one from “Lost or Missing” (see
William W. Mullinax's Cutlass, the second from “Plants” (see
Molineux Rose. Both are about items on which we would most definitely
like to see feedback
Post 3 Amanda Read – brick wall help
Admin Shirley Grey has been helping me with my brick Wall, my g g grandmother Mary
Molyneux b c1829 Ormskirk, who has now turned out to be Martha Molyneux b 1826 Liverpool
parents John Barnes Molyneux and Margaret Cummins. This has been an absolute nightmare
for many years. If anyone is related to this family, I will be happy to hear from
Response 1Tracy Molyneux
I keep finding this woman when I research Mary Workman died Molyneux same yr. She
was a widow previously before marrying into the Mx line. Her father was John Workman,
her married name at the time of her death was Jackson. I have a family letter on
Response 2Amanda Read
My Martha/Mary died Hegney in Hackney in 1898. It was her father's death that put
us on her trail, he died in Plumbe Street, the same one that Mary married from.
But I understand how frustrating it is.
Response 3Liz Beckham
Amanda, Sorry I don't think that’s enough for such a change in name and birth date
and place there are no Moly's living in that street in 1841 or 1851 and there’s
24 years between father’s death and her marriage.
Response 4Amanda Read
Isn't it possible that my g g grandfather was lodging in the street at the time
of their marriage??
Response 5Liz Beckham
Explain what you have that confirms her name change there’s a Martha living with
Phoebe in 1851 in Ormskirk with her grandmother so Martha is still Martha in 1851
and it says born Liverpool, Martha's father was a bookkeeper your looking for a
postilion, and they didn't drive the mail coach which is different from the post
coach, there’s just so many if's and but's I can pull up several different possibles
I even found one with a Margaret Winrow but following her through she doesn't look
Response 6Amanda Read
There actually isn't another explanation. There isn't a Mary baptised in Ormskirk
with a father who was a postillion. There isn't anyone in either the 1841 or 1851
census with any of these descriptions. The Ropemaker idea came up by someone else
as well, but there is no evidence of a change of occupation before 1854 because
there isn't anyone with this occupation in the 1841 or 1851 census. So, have you
found something else?? because I haven't.
Response 7Liz Beckham
I didn't but you rejected it because it said she was married but there was no husband
with her, could have easily been a mistake, she was born right time, right place
and may have had an Uncle William as the Mary Anne with her looks like she is his
daughter and a family that seems to be involved with horses. William is a shoemaker
but looks like his father and brothers were blacksmiths.
Response 8Amanda Read
Again, like all explanations including the one above it's all ifs and buts!! If
it was a mistake, how do we prove she wasn't married??
Response 9/Liz Beckham
I think the only chance you've got of finding your Mary is a lot of hard work using
a spread sheet with every Mary born about the right time on it and match information
to each one. It may even mean buying marriage certs that you know aren't yours just
so can eliminate them then what’s left could be yours. I haven't found a bap that
matches, so was she a non-con? You need to find wills read them you might get lucky.
I spent years and lots of money but I knew mine must have left wills I didn't know
what the fathers name was but got there in the end with concrete evidence.
Response 10Amanda Read
Over 10 years I've looked at every Mary born. That is her marriage on Ancestry and
I have a copy. There are no wills, James was in the Workhouse on a day trip out
when he committed suicide.
Response 11Liz Beckham
Phoebe was listed as Independent on the census that suggests there may have been
some money, and I've found delayed probate for a John Molyneux who was a stationer
in Liverpool he died 1847, Looking at deaths that may be Phoebe's husband.
Response 12Amanda Read
It looks like her husband, but there is no mention of Phoebe.
Response 13Amanda Read
My grandmother changed her name. Her mother died when she was three, her father
couldn't look after her and her brother Sam, so they were forced to go and live
with an aunt or two or three. Anyway, she ended up living with her mother's sister.
She stopped using the name Hegney and took her aunt's last name of Parker which
is on her marriage certificate.
Response 14Liz Beckham
It's a delayed probate by the time that was issued it was 1878 so Phoebe would have
been dead by then, the original was 1848 so before the records on Ancestry start
but if you think that’s your family it may give you some important information
Post 4 Timothy A P Mercer – Molyneux/Spencers
Well thanks to the confusion of someone who did some research in my family the one
Molyneux family link I had found is not by blood but marriage. However, since via
another family member I have links to the Spencers it should be only a matter of
time until I find another link. Personal problems put my family research on hold
for almost a year but I am back at it and trying to find another link.
Response 1Shirley Grey
Hi Timothy, if you have Lancashire roots we can help there we have a Lancashire group.
Response 2Sue Winn
Hi Shirley ... I am interested in Lancashire Molyneuxs ... what is the name of the
Response 3Shirley Grey
Sue I can also help you with the Molyneuxs here.
Response 4Timothy A P Mercer
I would have to look back through my 40 pages I have researched. So many from all
over England. The Spencers were in Bedfordshire when they produced the ones who
were my ancestors. I know there was some Lancashire somewhere in my family just
not sure where. As a person with only 3 close living relatives just what I have
done is overwhelming and I have barely made a dent.
Response 5Max Allen Molyneux
Just found it interesting that my dad, Joel Maxwell Molyneux, was born in Warsaw,
NY, in 1927.
Response 6Timothy A P Mercer
I was born there in 1992. Only second generation born in Warsaw. My family came
from Bath in the 1950's
Response 7Elizabeth Molyneux-Dickinson
Well I have been researching the Molyneux family we are from Surrey and Oxford and
managed to reach the 17th century. Now I have stopped as interested in the social
history and trying my maternal side which like you Timothy its proving a nightmare.
So, keep plodding on as I hit a brick wall for some time then everything started
to piece together. Good luck.
Response 8Timothy A P Mercer
My mother's side is all I have, I know nothing about my father. Bath NY, not England.
The England connections are all from Connecticut and Massachusetts is the 1630's.
Stratford Upon Avon is the only England town I can think of right now. Not looking
at the files at this time. Mostly I have been doing trees and with the size of the
families I can't use computer templates and on paper there isn't enough room for
anything other than, name, date, and country or state they were born and died in.
Response 9Tracy Molyneux
I live in Massachusetts what can I do to help? Pm me
Response 10Timothy A P Mercer
We are going to be coming over there in the Spring, once we have everything together.
Find A Grave has most of our family on it.
Response 11Timothy A P Mercer
I was tracing our Spencer relatives last, trying to figure out what cousin Prince
William is to me. There is a whole website that traces them out, the Spencer I am
descended from was just after his family branches stopped being titled. Probably
because they came here.
Post 5 Pippa VanVelzen – Gertrude Daisy Molyneux
Hello. Going through old papers of my Uncle's I came across the name Molyneux. This
was his wife's Mother's maiden name. Gertrude Daisy Molyneux from Dorking, Surrey,
England. Would there be anyone in this group that might be related? I have two incredible
old photo albums that might belong to this family, but as there are no inscriptions
I am not sure. Anyone related may have some photos that we could compare. I also
have some documents and newspaper clippings. Looking forward to any assistance.
Post 6 Debby Lindsey – Mullenix line
Hello cousins. I've just recently started working on my Mullenix line, and have
not yet been able to find much available verification. My earliest known Mullenix
ancestor is my 4GG, William F Mullenix b. abt 1801 SC. Married Catherine V ? before
1830. They were living in Lawrence Co, AL from 1830 - abt 1850. They were living
in Itawamba Co, MS in 1860. I haven't found a connection to TN for him, but I have
a DNA match at 70cM/4seg, with someone who has an ancestor, Celia Ann Mullenix b.
abt 1825 TN, supposed dtr of James Pleasant and Sarah ? Mullenix, living in DeKalb
Co, TN. I also have a DNA match at 27.5/2 cM's with someone who's also a descendant
of James Pleasant in TN. I'm interested in comparing information and DNA results
with anyone who might know something about this line. Also, have members of this
list completed the DNA testing? Have people uploaded to Gedmatch.
Response 1Elaine Eldred
My maiden name is Mulanix, there were quite a few in Mo. Not sure if this helps
Response 2Debby Lindsey
Debby Lindsey Hi Elaine, I know that some of my distant TN Mullinax family migrated
to MO. Do you have a Gedmatch # I can check? Also, the names of any TN Mullenax
ancestors, or perhaps your oldest MO Mullenax ancestor if you don't know the TN
ancestor? Thanks, my Gedmatch # is A222501
Mulanix is a spelling often associated with the Elkridge Mxes (see
Elkridge Mxes IMFA's article on same.) SC is the home of a number of associated
Mx families that we in IMFA call the I2 Alliance (after their Y-DNA genotyping).
There is a good deal of information collected on this group of families. It includes
the Delaware Mxes who were thoroughly researched and written up by Marilyn Blanck.
A link to her book is available at the IMFA website.
Response 4Susan Mullinix-Adams
… in southern Illinois
Response 5Debby Lindsey
Susan, do you have a Gedmatch number that I might be able to check to see if our
Mullinax's might be connected? Also, do you have Mullinax ancestors from TN? Thanks,
my Gedmatch # is A222501.
Response 6Lona Bremer
Debbie, we have a legitimate match on Chromosome 7 my Rematch is A109376.
Response 7Andrew Mullenix
A MULLENIX FAMILY
From Book: Written in 1958 by Blanche Hamlett Baldridge " A Mullenix Family of Virginia,
Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, and Iowa"
....page 169 The Principal part of this record has been compiled from family records,
with some information obtained through research of various county records. Have
given first the Mullenix family followed by the maternal lines, the Lynchard and
Origin: For information of the origin of the name, the early English and Irish families
and the Coat of Arms, refer to "History of the Molyneux Families" by Nellie Zada
Rice Molyneux. The name Mullenix (Molyneux) originated in France. Members of the
family settled in England and eventually some of them went to Ireland. Our Mullenix
ancestors came to America by way of Ireland prior to 1740. In that year, John Mullinax,
wife Mary lived in Goochland Co. Va. where they were referred to as Scotch-Irish.
An inventory is recorded in this county for John in 1754. Note: There was a Mullinax
on the Mayflower.
John Mullinax (7th Great Grandfather) came to America by way of Ireland prior to
1740. In that year, John Mullinax, wife Mary lived in Goochland Co. Va. where they
were referred to as Scotch-Irish. An inventory is recorded in this county for John
in 1754. Had 3 children; William, John & Mary.
William Mullinax (6th Great Grandfather) b. in Ireland d. 1780 (? yo) Goochland
m. Rachel Powell in 1755, had 5 children; Archibald, Mary, Rachel, Samuel, & John
Archibald Mullinax (5th Great Grandfather) b. Nov 10. 1756 Goochland Co. Va.
d. Jan 1 1820 (64yo) in Campbell County Kentucky
m. Mary Powell, b. Feb 5th 1786.
Archibald Mullinax served in the Revolutionary War as a soldier of the Infantry.
Received a bounty land warrant. As late as 1794 He was on the Muster roll list of
Pendleton County Va. under Capt. Wm. James Company, Militia. Several spellings of
the Mullinax name were found on various documents, war records, Mollineux, Mullineaux,
Mulleneux and Mulinx.
Archibald was proven up in the National Society of the Daughters of the American
Revolution under national Number 403073. Children; Archibald, Nancy, Rachel, John,
Thomas, William, Benjamin, & Jesse.
Thomas Mullenix (4th Great Grandfather) b. July 18, 1800 in Pendleton Co, Va. d.
1871-72 (72 yo) in his home near Prescott Adams Co.
m Mary Lynchard, b. d.
Children; William, Rachel, Mary, Prudence, Thomas, David, James, Archibald, & Elizabeth
David Mullenix (3rd Great Grandfather) b. March 2, 1843 near Greensburg, Decatur
Co. Ind. d. Dec 23, 1918 (75 yo) in Ottumwa Ia.
G.A.R. addition: Served in the Civil War, Company C Ninth Iowa Cavalry ;Enlisted
Aug 21 1863 Wapello Co. Iowa. Mustered in Nov 30 1863 mustered out Feb 28 1866 in
little Rock Arkansas
m. April 11, 1867 to Rhoda Jane Kight in Ottumwa Iowa. David & Rhoda moved around
lot they lived in Iowa, Nebraska, Washington, Missouri & California. Members of
the United Brethren Church, David taught Bible School most of his Adult life. Children;
John Wesley, Mary Jane, Martha Ellen, Sarah Lauretta, & Richard.
John Wesley Mullenix (2nd Great Grandfather) b. March 2, 1868 in Ottumwa, Iowa,
d. Dec 24, 1900 (32 yo) in Mt Pleasant, Iowa
m. Jan 29, 1890 to Mary Etta Owens (b. July 27, 1868 in Glenwood, Mo. d, Aug 12,
1926 (58 yo) Coatsville, Mo.) Father: Russell ? Horace O OWENS Mother: Hannah LOWE.
Hannah was the sister of David who married Elizabeth Mullenix and sister of Nancy
who married Archibald Mullenix. Children; Omar Beard?, Jesse Birdis, Lester Olean,
Children: 1/2 brother, Omar Beard? mother must have remarried
59-1 Jesse Birdis Mullenix b: June 29, 1892, Ottumwa, Wapello County, IA, d: Dec
11, 1949, (57yo) St Paul, MN Served in the U.S. Marine Corps, World War I. Saw action
m. ? in 1915 at St Paul, MN, no Issue. Was a Pilot who flew a plane all the time.
59-2 Lester Olean Mullenix (Great Grandfather) (SSN:496-12-6325) (Gramps)
(Ancestry World Tree Project: FROM THE ANCESTRAL FILE OF CHARLES WARREN LANZ )
b. Oct 26, 1896 Dahlonega, Wapello Co. Iowa. d March 3rd 1974 (78 yo)
Served in the US Marines, World War I, from August 14, 1915- June 25, 1919 saw action
in France, Served with the 66th Co. 5th Regt. US Marine Corps also served in 122nd
Co., 9 Regt Guantánamo Bay, Cuba
m. Martha Leeper Mitchell (Great Grandmother) (SSN:486-38-5923) b. August 22, 1901
Coatsville, Mo. d. August 4, 1995 (94yo)
Children: Tim, Berniece, John Alfred, Elizabeth, Owen, Wanda.
MULLENIX - Supplement to page 185 (written in 1986) (updated 9-2003-2010) by Cathy
ch. or Issue = Children
60-1. John Alfred Mullenix,(Grandfather -Grampa) b. May 2, 1923, Coatsville, Mo.,
d. June 20, 1982 (59yo) in Milford, Ct. of Cardiac Arrest /John served on the U.S.
Submarine Pargo, for 3 years saw action in the South Pacific, WW II
m. Feb 10, 1944 to: Lorraine Elizabeth Cordon b. Feb 24, 1928 Bridgeport, Ct. d.
July 7, 1990 (62 yo) in Milford Ct of Cardiac Arrest/Ventricular Arrhythmia's, Worked
Children: John Walter, James Robert(my husband), Michael Wayne, Cordon Thomas
Issue: 60-1, 1 John Walter Mullenix b. May 7, 1946
Retired Pitney Bowes
m.(May 8, 1971) Patricia Frances Giblin b. July 29, 1948 Mfd, Ct. (RN) (COPD)
Children: Sean Michael, David Cordon, Patrick John
Issue:60-1,1-1 Sean Michael Mullenix b. Sept 13, 1972
m.( 1998) Melissa Ptak b. date?/ divorced 2007
Issue:60-1, 1-1-1 Sebastian Jeffry Mullenix b. May 7, 2001 in Milford, Ct, 11:30
am, 5 lb., 12oz.
Issue: 60-1,1-1-2 Nathan James Mullenix b. June 29, 2004 in Milford, Ct, 10:30 am,
Issue: 60-1, 1-2 David Cordon Mullenix b. March 10, 1974
m.(9-11-2004) Danielle Gray b. April 15, 1974?
Issue:60-1, 2-2-1 Alicia Rose Mullenix b. August 25, 2006 in Milford, Ct, 6:35pm
6 lbs. 7 oz., 19 ¾ inches tall
Issue:60-1,2-2-2 Aiden Reese Mullenix b. 7-8-2010, Milford, Ct Time? 7lbs. 10 oz.
Issue: 60-1, 1-3 Patrick John Mullenix b. Dec. 29, 1975
Graduate of Tulane University, Lives in Aurora, Ill
m. (August 29, 2003 Aroura Ill) Nicole Furguson, b.? from Des Moines, Iowa
Issue:60-1,3-3-1 Courtney Elizabeth Mullenix b. April 13, 2005, 11:02 am 7lbs, 8oz,
20 1/2 “ long
Isssue:60-1,3-3-2 Matthew Patrick Mullenix b. Sept 29, 2007,
1:21 pm, 8 lbs., 13oz, 20 in
60-1.2. James Robert Mullenix, b. July 21, 1947 (my Husband)
m. Catherine Anne Ambriscoe (Ambrisko) b. Dec 19, 1948
m. July 17, 1971 Holy Infant Church in Orange, Ct
Children: Jennifer Rebecca, Andrew Owen
Issue: 60-1, 2-1. Jennifer Rebecca Mullenix b. March 2, 1974 in Milford, Ct. , d.
Feb 5, 1990 Orlando, Florida, Pedestrian accident Orl, FL
60-1, 2-2 Andrew Owen Mullenix b. April 25, 1984 in Bridgeport, Ct
I have this, maybe you can find some connection in there.
Response 8Debby Lindsey
Thank you Elaine, Susan and Andrew. I know that a number of my Mullenix line went
to Missouri. I think my line included a James Pleasant Mullenix b. abt 1776 SC.
Supposedly his parents were Richard Mullenix b. abt 1745 Sussex, Delaware and Eliz
Poynter b. Delaware. I haven't yet verified this parentage - if, indeed, it can
Response 9Debby Lindsey
Have the Mullenix descendants in this group taken the Ancestry DNA test and uploaded
to Gedmatch? I find the DNA matches to be the best genealogy tool.
Response 10Dawn Mullinax
Mullinax from Texarkana
Response 11Debby Lindsey
Dawn, I don't know if this is TX or TN, but there could be a connection. May I please
have your Gedmatch number to see if there's a match. Also, do you know the names
of your TN Mullinax ancestors? Thanks.
Response 12Lisa Bilbrey
Mullinax from Tennessee.
Response 13Debby Lindsey
Lisa, as my Mullinax's also appear to have lived in TN, may I please have your Gedmatch
number to see if we have a match? Mine is A222501. Also, do you know the names of
your TN Mullinax ancestors?
Response 14Lisa Bilbrey
I do not have any of that information. My father was Johnny Edward and his father
Response 15Debby Lindsey
The question I'm interested in asking on this group is - have my Mullinax cousins
taken the Ancestry DNA test, and are you on Gedmatch.com? I would be interested
to compare our numbers on there. Mine is A222501. Thanks. GEDMATCH.COM
Response 16Angela Sendelbach
My paternal grandmother is Mildred Mullinax Chandler Buttram Berry. I am on ancestry.com.
I have done the DNA. I also uploaded my results to Gedcom.
Response 17Debby Lindsey
Thanks, Angela. I think I just followed your Mildred back to a John Mullinax, 1705
England. This was just using others' trees, no verification. I think mine goes through
a Richard Mullinax, b.1745 Delaware and William Mx b.1696 Maryland. However, I haven't
confirmed these. May I please have your Gedmatch number in order to check to see
if we might have a connection? Mine is A222501. Thanks.
Response 18Angela Sendelbach
Angela Sendelbach A149695.
Response 19Lona Bremer
Angela I do not match you.
Debby; You may belong to the Pleasant Mx Line--one of the I2b Alliance that includes
a number of Mx clans from the S.E. US as well as several in England. Check out the
IMFA Web pages to get more info.
Response 21Debby Lindsey
Thanks, Angela. It looks like our Mullinax families don't match - back to the late
Response 22Angela Sendelbach
I found it confusing. That GED.
Response 23Debby Lindsey
It's really a great tool for finding ancestral connections. I try to keep up with
my closest matches, figuring out on which line we match.
Response 24Marie Vickery
Mother Mary Lucille Mullenix born 1944 in Houston, Texas. Her father was John Mullenix
whom I believe was born in Alabama. Her Brothers are Clyde Andrew Mullenix, James
William Mullenix, Donald Wayne Mullenix, Charles Lloyd Mullenix and Sister Patricia
Response 25Debby Lindsey
A question for everyone so we can see if we're on the same lines. What is your Gedmatch
Response 26Tom Mullenix
Tom Mullenix I'm Thomas E. Mullenix. I live in Payson UT
Response 27John Mullenix
Mullenix started here in 1630 came over on the Primrose to do 10 years of hard labor
he was on the wrong side of the queen.
Response 28Marie Vickery
My mom's dad was a John Mullenix we believe he was from Alabama. He lived in Texas
most of his life.
Response 29John Mullenix
John Mullenix my great papaw was Estile he lived in MO.
Response 30Debby Lindsey
John Mullenix, have you taken the Ancestry DNA test and if so, uploaded to Gedmatch.com?
It could be very helpful to try to connect the lines.
Response 31Debby Lindsey
John and Marie Vickery have you taken the Ancestry DNA test or if so have you uploaded
Response 32Marie Vickery
I haven't yet but I do plan on doing it.
Post 7 Antony Molyneux Steele – Mx of Sefton
As part of the Molyneux objects and artefacts. "Diaries and Papers of the Family
of Molyneux of Sefton" | The National Archives. The official archive of the UK government.
Post 8 Antony Molyneux Steele – Highclere Castle
Was at the home of George Edward Stanhope Molyneux Herbert, 5th Earl of Carnarvon,
last week. Also the setting for Downton Abbey.
Response 1Tammy Kemp
A little exciting to see more family history!
Response 2Elaine Eldred
My name is Mulanix! Interesting.
Post 9 Karen Rhea White – Mx Things
The following are 3 examples of Molyneux (or variations) items I recently found
in my research. You may or may not already have these for your Index Project.
This is an article from the Torch Light and Public Advertiser. Published on May
6, 1823. It mentions a famous Yorkshire horse, Mollineaux.
This is from a Sears, Roebuck, and Co. catalogue, published in the Fall of 1943.
It mentions the Molyneux skirt and has a drawing of it.
This is a current Molyneux item. It is the Molyneux House located at 2 Rimu St,
Kaka Point 9271, New Zealand. Website is molyneuxhouse.co.nz. Photo is a screen
shot from Google maps.
Post 10 IMFA – Tom Molineaux Film
Irish documentary film maker, Des Kilbane just completed a film on Tom Molineaux,
the Virginia slave who boxed his way to freedom. He fought for the unofficial World
championship against English legend Tom Cribb in 1810. He is now buried in a pauper's
grave in Galway on the West Coast of Ireland.
Here’s a link to the film, Crossing the Black Atlantic. It is in the Irish language
with English sub titles.
Response 1Jim Horgan
Christine Wallace Saitta
Response 2Christine Wallace Saitta
I just dusted off my Dad’s statue
Response 3Ken Mullennix
Ahh, the link sends "Empty reply from server" on my Android phone stateside.
Ken, I'm in the States, on a desk-top, and encountered no problems accessing the
Response 5Adrienne Molyneux
Thanks so much for this. Unfortunately the subtitles are not showing, so I can't
get the full meaning of the movie. But VERY interesting that the Mx line has some
Response 6Elizabeth Molyneux-Dickinson
I would have watched it but unable to understand, my laptop is going in for service
so hope I can find this sort film when it is returned.
That's funny Adrienne, I got the subtitles with no problem -- they're on screen
rather than below and only show when the speaker is speaking in Erse. And Elizabeth,
the post will still be here when you get your laptop back.