Post 1 From IMFA
Here's something ya'll might like: The E. L. Molineux Collection
"It's a Southern Sun That Shines Down On This Yankee Boy": The E. L. MOLINEUX COLLECTION
by TJ Rowland
Post 2 From IMFA
IMFA Mystery Address Contest Continues: (This is a long one but bear w/ us as it’s
Well, happy circumstance, after reprinting our latest mystery address query, Molyneux
Ave., Springs, South Africa, in our IMFA newsletter, the IMFA Rep for South Africa,
SA001 Adrienne Mx came through for us big-time.
Adrienne contacted the Springs Facebook Community and got a wealth of information
on the probable honoree, Richard G. Molyneux, a summary of which follows:
Born in Kimberley, South Africa, he was educated at the University of Cape Town
where he attained a BSc (Hon) degree in Geology, followed by a Graduate Diploma
in Engineering from the University of Witwatersrand and a Diploma in Integrated
Environmental Management from the University of Cape Town.
He joined De Beers Consolidated Mines in 1971 as an exploration geologist advancing
through a number of positions including Resident Geologist at Premier Mine in South
Africa, Chief Geologist, then General Manager at Namaqualand Mines and General Manager,
Central Mines Operations at Kimberley.
In 2000 he was appointed as President and CEO of De Beers Canada Corporation with
a mandate to create a fully integrated company to support future production operations,
and to take the company’s advanced exploration projects through the required engineering
studies and regulatory processes.
In May 2006, he retired from De Beers and in 2007 was elected to the board of directors
of Tahera Diamond Corporation.
In 2010, he joined the Board of Midlands Minerals Corporation as Chairman and Director.
Mr. Molyneux, or his wife, Desiree, may have also been the source for the naming
of the Molyneux Reserve in Kleinzee, a small diamond-mining town in the Namakwa
District Municipality on the west coast of Northern Cape province in South Africa.
Adrienne went on to ask whether we knew that there was a Molyneux Rd., in Durban,
South Africa as well. Yes we did and had tentatively attributed its name to one
“…Colonel Molyneux who worked to restore the Old Fort in Durban (located nearby).”
Thanks to information from Adrienne and subsequent research, we now know that Col.
Molyneux, was actually the same person as Brigadier General George Mary Joseph (GMJ)
Molyneux, DSO VD, a British officer, who, in 1915, as a Lt. Col. served as commander
of the 1st Battalion of the Durban Light Infantry Regiment. Five years later, still
a Lt. Col, he was commanding officer of that regiment, and yet again as a Brig.
Gen. in 1940, apparently having been called back from retirement.
According to his biography: “British military officer and civil servant. George
Molyneux was born in Tramore, County Waterford, Ireland, and was educated at Stonyhurst
College, Lancashire. He joined the Natal Royal Rifles (later Durban Light Infantry)
in 1893 and remained with the regiment for his entire career. He fought in the Second
Matabele War, the Second Boer War, and the Bambatha Rebellion, received the DSO,
the Croix de Guerre, and the Russian Order of Stanislaus for his service in the
First World War, and commanded the regiment during the Rand Rebellion of 1922. He
was also the Licensing Officer of Durban for more than thirty years. In 1937 he
was appointed to the Defence Council of the Union of South Africa and during the
Second World War was promoted to Brigadier.”
In addition to his military accomplishments “Pope Pius XII conferred on him a Papal
Knighthood of the Order of St Gregory for his charitable work. One of his projects
was the restoration of the Old Fort in Durban, whose lynch-gate bears a dedication
to him. As he was also a keen gardener, known in botanical circles for his interesting
collection of cycads, many of the trees and shrubs planted on the grounds of the
Old Fort were grown from seed collected by him. He collected type material of Encephalartos
kosiensis Hutch. (= E. ferox G. Bertol.) based on a plant cultivated at the Old
Fort in Durban.”
Born in Ireland 16 March 1873, General Molyneux died 22 June 1959, and is buried
at the War Grave Cemetery in Whyte Road, Durban, South Africa.
A genealogical search turned up a record of what appears to be his birth on 16 Mar
1873, in Kilkenny, Ireland. to Henry Joseph Hearn Molyneux (1837-1906) and Agnes
Eliza Keogh (1836-unk), both reputedly born in London, England. We have nothing
more on this family at this time. Given the fact that both lived in South Africa;
George’s predilection for botany; and Richard G. Molyneux’s reputation for environmental
concerns, it would be interesting to know whether the latter is a descendant of
(In re the 1st photo it is of The Old Fort - Durban - Durban Metro & Durban, KwaZulu
Natal © Margaret E Parker @ Wikimedia Commons)
Post 3 From IMFA
Our Newest Mystery Addresses:
For our next mystery addresses we jump across the sea yet again to Chile where we
find 3 spots with variations of the surname, as follows: Molyneux Sound, Puerto
Molyneux, and Estuario Molyneaux aka Molyneux Seno.
According to the Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History, Volume 44,
Molyneux Sound is located at latitude 50° 17'S by longitude 74° 54'W. Our
gazetteer description of Puerto Molyneux has it as a “Harbor, also referred to as
Fondeadero Molyneux or Molyneux, Fondeadero.” in the Region of Magallanes and Chilean
Antarctica, at latitude 50° 17'S by longitude 74° 52'W. Mapcarta describes
it as follows: “…a harbor in Chile … nearby to Punta San Miguel, Isla Rómulo and
Cabo de Vismes. Puerto Molyneux is also close to Caleta de la Tierra, Faro Punta
San Miguel and Caleta Pesca.”
The Molyneaux Estuary aka Seno Molyneux is a fjord in the same region of the Chilean
Antarctic (about 4 km east) and is located at latitude 50° 18'S by longitude
74° 54'W. Mapcarta describes it as follows: “… a fjord in Chile … nearby to Punta
San Miguel, Isla Rómulo and Punta Ramón. Seno Molyneaux is also close to Caleta
de la Tierra, Faro Punta San Miguel and Roca Fawn.”
These three places were likely all named after the same person, the most probable
- Emery Molyneux, mathematician and maker of mathematical instruments—compasses, hourglasses,
et al—as well as of celestial and terrestrial globes. Born in Elizabethan England,
date unknown, he died in the Netherlands in June, 1598.
- William Molyneux, famous mathematician and geographer born in Dublin, Ireland, 17
April 1656, he died there 11 October 1698.
- Robert Mollineux/Molineux/Molyneux, Captain Cook’s eponymous sailing master, after
whom a number of geographical features in New Zealand are named. Born in Hale, Lancashire,
England, date unknown, he died aboard HMS Endeavor on 15 April 1771.
But we just don’t know. We really would like to though. Can you help?
Response 1 Bobby Mullenix
This is great, thank you for sharing!
Response 2 IMFA
You're quite welcome.
Post 4 From IMFA
Hi Folks; Here's a query that came to us from a non-FB user: "I was looking for
information on one of my relatives who was married on 25th April 1905 to Lady Gertrude
Eleanor Molyneux who lived at Croxteth Hall Liverpool (died 5th November 1937)she
married Captain John Halket Crawford ( died 23rd September 1936) I am looking for
a photograph of their wedding or a photograph of John and if anyone knows where
he is buried I think it's in Dieppe France but need help."
If any of ya'll know something, we'd appreciate a shout-out.
Response 1 Lona Bremer
Hasket? Unable to find any wedding pictures.
Response 2 IMFA
Thanks Lona, I didn't find any either, and the middle name is definitely Halket
but I can easily see it being transcribed incorrectly in the records.
Response 3 Lesley Moore
Has this person tried the Ancestry website , there are photos on some of the profiles
going back so far...
Response 4 Wayne Straight
I took the time to look Lesley, ands surprisingly, I couldn't find any. I even went
to Newspapers.com figuring that there'd be some news coverage of the event since
she was a peeress--nada. There may be something in a British newspaper archive but
I don't have ready access to any.
Response 5 Shirley Grey
Marriage: 25 Apr 1905 St Chad, Kirkby, Lancashire, England John Halkett Crawford
- 36, Captain in Indian Army, Bachelor, Croxteth Gertrude Eleanor Molyneux - 36,
Spinster, Croxteth Groom's Father: John Thompson Crawford, Deceased Bride's Father:
William Philip Molyneux, 4th Earl of Sefton Deceased Witness: S. H. Christy; Helena
Sefton Sefton Married by Banns by: John Leach Vicar Register: Marriages 1902 - 1928,
Page 20, Entry 39 Source: LDS Film 1545854
Lady Gertrude Eleanor Molyneux was referred to as GEM by her close friends and family.
This is a photograph of her was taken September 2nd, 1890.
GEM became the first Chief Superintendent of the Women’s Royal Air Force – otherwise
known as “the penguins”. Article from inaugural edition ‘RAF Spirit of the Air’,
1st April 1918)
She didn’t remain in this position long, feeling that she was little more than a
‘figurehead’ in the organisation.Shirley Grey In 1901 Lady Gertrude was living in
3 Willow Place, Knightsbridge with 6 servants. Her brother Richard was a Lieutenant
in the Royal Horse Guards, living in Hyde Park Barracks.
On the 1911 census none of the Molyneux family were resident in the Hall, just a
number of servants. At this time Gertrude’s younger brother Osbert Cecil was the
Before the war Gertrude practised ornamental turning, like her father and grandfather.
Ivory was turned at Croxteth Hall on a lathe. Gertrude continued this hobby after
she was married to Captain John Halkett Crawford and she was awarded prizes at the
Worshipful Company of Turners.
Members of the Women’s Royal Naval Service (WRNS) and the Women’s Army Auxiliary
Corps (WAAC) worked in the air stations of the Royal Flying Corps (RFC) and the
Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS). The RFC and RNAS were to merge to form the Royal
Air Force (RAF), however to ensure the specialised female workforce remained a separate
service, the Women’s Royal Air Force (WRAF) was formed on 1 April 1918.
In 1918 Gertrude became the 1st Chief Commandant for the (WRAF). This organisation
aimed to provide female mechanics to free up men, who were needed to fight on the
front. Large numbers of women enrolled for various occupations, such as drivers
and mechanics. Gertrude would have worked on a base in Britain. In May 1918 Violet
Douglas-Pennant became the second Commandant for the WRAF. The WRAF was disbanded
Gertrude died on 5th November 1937 aged 69 years old. Gertrude is buried in the
plot reserved for the Earls of Sefton and their families in St. Chad’s Church, Kirkby.
John Halket Crawford did indeed die in Dieppe France below is his will.
Response 6 Wayne Straight
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she knows this and is why she thinks he may be buried there.
That's where she's looking for verification. Is he buried there?
Response 7 Shirley Grey
I would have thought so still checking he certainly died there:
Name: John Halket Crawford
Birth Date: 28 Sep 1868
Birth Place: Gondah Bengal India
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1868
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Gondah, Bengal, India
Father: John Thomson Crawford
Mother: Anna Maria Jessie
FHL Film Number: 499032
Response 8 Wayne Straight
W/ all the graveyard indexing going on you'd think that this would be a no-brainer.
But then it seems logical that there would have been a pictorial news article about
their wedding too.
If she contacts this Masonic lodge they may have pictures
Name: John Halket Crawford
Initiation Age: 43
Birth Year: abt 1868
Initiation Date: 8 Aug 1911
First Payment Year on Register: 1911
Year Range: 1910-1921
Lodge: Alexandra Lodge
Lodge Location: Jubbulpore
Lodge Number: 1065
Folio Number: 57
Search for 'John Halket Crawford' in other Freemasonry Membership Records Learn
more about 'Alexandra Lodge' at Lane's Masonic Records
Rank Lt Col
First name(s) John Halket
Last name Crawford
Post nominals CMG
Death year 1936
Death date 23 Sep 1936
Record set British Army, Royal Artillery officer deaths 1850-2011
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain
He was not buried with her, this is her headstone.
Headstone: In Memory of/ Lady Gertrude Eleanor/ Crawford elder daughter/ of the
4th Earl of Sefton/ 1st July 1868/ 5th November 1937/ Thy gentleness/ hath made
Post 5 Angela Sendelbach
Post 6 Angela Sendelbach
Does anyone have pictures of Mildred Mullinax Chandler Buttram Berry's parents and
I wonder if they ever had a family photo taken of parents and siblings. Johnny and
Ora Mullinax, parents. With begging... bugging all, I have been able to see my first
pictures of my great grandparents Johnny and Ora and two of my grandmother Mildred's
sisters, Jewell and Elma Dean.. Would love to see any other siblings!! Thanks!
Post 7 Angela Sendelbach
Saw this in the latest Georgia Backroads magazine. John Mullinix. far far right,
Post 8 Janet Ward
My Molineux rose for all you Molineux's
Response 1 Helen Makrakis
Thank you for the beautiful rose...a wonderful colour and very vibrant!
Post 9 Tracy Molyneux
Found some Ancestors!!! Here's more surnames & Names in my tree: Mullineux, Betty
Pilkington, Sarah Edge, Mary Unsworth. Does anyone share this tree?
Response 1 Wayne Straight
I'm assuming you know of the Pilkington Mx line, eponymous for several Pilkingtons,
including one Elizabeth PILKINGTON, b. 3 or 13 Sept.1836, Bickerstaff, Lancs, md.
26 Nov 1854 or 9 Nov 1858 to John Mx, b. 17 Nov. 1829, Parr Sutton, Lancs), left
Liverpool on the “Manchester” from Liverpool, 6 May 1862, with children Elias age
3 & John an infant., arr. NY on 2 Jun 1862. A second Elizabeth 'Betty' PILKINGTON,
was b. ca 1786, d. ca 1848 age 82, md. a Thomas MOLYNEUX b. ca 1765-66, living in
Aspull in 1788, & then in Ince, both Lancs, d. ca 1845, age 79. We also have a member
whose family has yet to be assoc. w/ a given Mx line. His pedigree includes one
Jane Sarah EDGE, b. ca 1783, prob. in Manchester, d. prob. ca May 1838, md. John
Mx, b. ca 1782, prob. Manchester, 13 Feb 1803, Eccles, Lancs.
Response 2 Tracy Molyneux
Did not really know It had been mentioned that I may be in the Pilkington line
Response 3 Wayne Straight
Can you relate your Betty P. to either of the two women I mentioned; or Sarah Edge
to Jane Sarah Edge?
Response 4 Tracy Molyneux
Thomas Mullineux 1765-1825 (Atherton, Lancashire England married to Betty Mullineux(Pilkington)
1768-?. Richard Mullineux (father of Thomas) 1733-1797 married to Sarah Mullineux
Response 5 Wayne Straight
Okay, different Sarah Edge for sure and the 2nd of the 2 Elizabeth Pilkingtons who
only appears once in our pedigrees for the Pilkington Mxes. I'd still lean towards
the Pilkingtons but it's not a slam-dunk. This is an extract of what we have on
this Betty P.: "(Member) has many direct line MOLYNEUX ancestors from Ince, Lancashire
(near Wigan & Hindley), England. She writes: I am looking for the parents of Thomas
MOLYNEUX b. ca 1765-66, living in Aspull in 1788, & then in Ince, both Lancashire,
England. He m. Elizabeth/Betty PILKINGTON about 1786. I have not been able to find
the actual marriage date. Thomas, of Ince, was bur. in the parish of Wigan at the
Hindley chapelry churchyard on Apr 14, 1845, age 79 years. Elizabeth, of Ince, was
bur. there Jan 30, 1848, age 82 years. In the 1841c & in his will written 1842,
Thomas is listed as a Shopkeeper. Thomas & Elizabeth would be my 5G-gps. Children
included James (my 4G-gf), William, Betty, Edmund, Ellen, Elnor, Thomas & John.
Response 6 Tracy Molyneux
Yes, James was mentioned as a son.
Response 7 Wayne Straight
It gets soooo confusing! In this case, James is apparently a very common given name
in the Pilkington Mxes.
Response 8 Tracy Molyneux
It's becoming more clear to me Wayne Straight :)
Response 9 Wayne Straight
Good, when you get it straightened out we'd love to hear from you. This is the kind
of stuff that becomes fodder for our newsletter.
Response 10 Tracy Molyneux
I don't know what happened to the info I put on IMFA regarding my ancestors, but
I will have to have that updated at some point, Nice to have finally found a member
:) BTW: Betty Mullenix Mason said she does not think that this is a match.
Post 10 Bobby Mullenix
I am Thomas Robert Mullenix III, although there have been many before me. I'm very
glad to have found this site and thank you all, you are part of a very very special
bloodline. I love reading about the history of our family, my line came to America
from Ireland and many ended up in this part of Indiana many years ago after work
on the Erie Canal was stopped. From what I've learned, we are one of the oldest
and largest pedigree in the world. And a very interesting one as well. Thank you
Response 1 Grace Mullenix
My husband Don Mullenix just sent in his DNA sample and received the results that
he is European Caucasian totally. He was born in Texas in 1938 and other relatives
were born in Texas and Louisiana. We have found much data from the society and census.
It is very interesting and we always want to learn more We now reside in Leesburg
Florida The Photo is of myself and our son John.
Response 2 Bobby Mullenix
Very good to meet you, I'm going to get mine done as well. I've always been told
where we are from but it would really be neat to know. We come from all walks of
life and every place on earth.
Response 3 Grace Mullenix
It takes about 5 weeks to process the sample but we have found some tie in with
some royalty in England and Denmark. We are trying to find where any of the MX arrived
in the US. Anyway it is a great hobby. Good Luck.
Response 4 Bobby Mullenix
Yes, our ancestors were awarded earldom for their service to king William II of
Normandy. Also huge estates in England, Ireland and Scotland. The first Earl of
Sefton is who my line descended from. The Irish side and I have seen some research
someone else did that went all the way back to Norway and Denmark. And they followed
king Rollo to Normandy. He settled in a Riverside town of Molyneux set siene maritime
of Normandy. Where the family trade was running a mill by the river. When William
the conqueror invaded England our ancestors supplied wheat and flour to his army
at the battle of Hastings in 1066. We've got several knights Templars in our history
as well. I think one of them even fought with king Richard Lionheart in the crusade.
Response 5 Grace Mullenix
Thanks so much We did get some research on the Earls of Sefton and last on who died
childless in this century and the Castle has been turned over to the state and is
a museum and beautiful gardens Please keep the info coming and do join the society
My email is glmkauai @ gmail.com
Response 6 Bobby Mullenix
When king Edward VIII abdicated the throne to be with his true love, one of the
earls of Sefton had a hand in that. He introduced the 2 and as a result caused a
constitutional crisis amongst the monarchy. Imo, afterwards there would have been
some tension and probably had more to do with the dissolution of the Earldom, that
and having no male heirs. I could be wrong but just my opinion. I do know several
vampire movies have been filmed in Sefton Hall and currently a miniseries about
vampires is filmed there as well.
Post 11 Brian Magee
Anyone on here related in their tree to my nan Mabel Molyneux. My mum was Edna Mary
Molyneux born from an unknown father in 1926 (oo er).Both in Liverpool.
Response 1 Paul Molyneux
Might be able to help with Mabel. Please excuse the pun! I have a Mabel in my tree.
She was my GGrandfather Thomas James Molyneux's sister. If this is the same Mabel
her father was Thomas Recub Molyneux. Unlikely to be this Mabel as she would be
around age 48 when she had your Nan! She could be still part of my family tree.
Mabel's brother Alfred Edmund Molyneux had a daughter that he named Mabel possibly
after his sister. This could well be the same Mabel that you are looking for! Better
fit age wise! This Mabel Molyneux was born around 1898 which would have made her
around age 28 when your mother Edna was born!
Response 2 Brian Magee
I think my Nan Mabel was 36 when she had my mum in 1926.
Response 3 Shirley Grey
Is this her death?
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1890
Date of Registration: Sep 1980
Age at Death: 90
Registration district: West Lancashire
Inferred County: Lancashire
Response 4 Brian Magee
It sounds about right Shirley Grey. I can’t remember the exact date but it sounds
right as my daughter was born 1980 when nan died. Sadly when I was a month old my
nan went into a mental hospital and I didn’t get to meet her. My mum Edna Mary Molyneux
was born 2nd April 1926 died 26 august 2003.
Response 5 Tracy Molyneux
This is sounding like something from my tree a Mary Hannah Molyneux (Workman then
she remaried a man with Jackson last name. in a hospital like that where he placed
her. She died there. She was a spinster. Her daughter was Ellen Molyneux (Gregory)
Response 6 Shirley Grey
This could be Edna's Mother single and living with her widowed mother, and She is
Mary so perhaps Mabel gave Edna the second of Mary after her mother.
First name(s) Mary
Last name Molyneux
Marital status Widow
Birth year 1864
Birth place Liverpool Lancaster
First name(s) Mabel Last name Molyneux Relationship Daughter Marital status Single
Sex Female Occupation Typist Age 20 Birth year 1891 Birth place Lanc Walton Lpool
First name(s) Harry
Last name Molyneux
Marital status Single
Occupation Junior Clerk
Birth year 1896
Birth place Lanc Walton Lpool
Response 7 Brian Magee
Thanks for this. I didn’t know my nan had a brother.
Response 8 Shirley Grey
Can you pm me Brian Magee I have more information
Post 12 Dave Molyneux
Interesting fact about the Molyneux name. It dates back to the battle of Hastings
in 1066 when William defeated the Anglo-Saxons and as a gift from William he gave
the name and title Lord Molyneux and the northwest of England as his peerage that's
how far back the name goes. I can go back to 1800 I'm sure the name can be traced
in the Bayeux Tapestry.
The Actual spelling of Molyneux is 100% British.
Response 1 Jean Wincenciak
I also am a Mullinax as you can see spelt a little different. I was told it was
Response 2 Kimberly A. Mulneix
It has been reported as being De Molines originally. It was Anglicized to Molyneux.
It is actually Norman.
Response 3 Clive G Molyneux
Dave Molyneux - Anglo Norman spelling
Response 4 Meg Molyneux
My relatives always told me that the name came to England with William the Conqueror.
Response 5 David Molyneux
I am David Molyneux too, but living in US now. I strongly believe, although haven't
proved it yet, that my family goes back via the Lord Sefton line, as all the pictures
in Croxteth Hall show a remarkable likeness to my family members. But maybe others
can say the same too.
Response 6 Trevor Simmons
I can only go back as far as 1797 when my grandfather 3 times removed was born in
Liverpool. His name was Robert Molyneux who married a Mary Caldwell in 1821. He
died in 1866 in Aberystwyth which is where the family's Welsh connection kicks in
when most of them went to work in Cardiff, South Wales.
Response 7 Shirley Grey
Marriage: 5 Mar 1821 St Paul, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Robert Molyneux - Painter, Liverpool
Mary Caldwell - Spinster, Liverpool
Witness: Edwd. Coventry, Jnr; Richd. Barrow
Married by Banns by: George Monk Minister
Register: Marriages 1817 - 1825, Page 95, Entry 19
Source: LDS Film 1656374
Response 8 Collette Prentice
Glad you said that David. When taking my partner around Croxteth Hall for the first
time he couldn't believe the family resemblance - Particularly to my brothers. He
said it was really scary the way all our eyes followed him around.
Response 9 David Molyneux
I haven't seen them but a nephew of mine has and he said he thought he was looking
at his close relatives too. He said just the same as you.
Response 10 Shirley Grey
Molyneux Name Meaning English and Irish (of Norman origin): habitational name from
Moulineaux in Seine-Maritime, so named from the plural of Old French moulineau,
a diminutive of moulin ‘mill’. In some cases this may have been an occupational
name as in 2. French: occupational name for a miller, from molineux, a variant of
Old French molineur ‘miller’. Irish: Anglicized form of Mulligan. Irish (Co. Kerry):
Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Maol an Mhuaidh ‘descendant of Maol an Mhuaidh (follower
of the noble)’
Response 11 Meg Molyneux
Meg Molyneux I've always translated it as the Mill by the Water ie Watermill.
Response 12 Shirley Grey
Dave Molyneux are you looking for anything in particular? Did you see the other
First name(s) ROBERT
Last name MOLINEAUX
Birth year 1798
Death year 1866
Burial year 1866
Burial day 9
Burial month 3
Place LLANBADARN FAWR
Church description ST PADARN
Church denomination ANGLICAN
Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
Cardiganshire Family History Society
First name(s) Robert
Last name Molyneux
Birth year 1794
Birth place --
Baptism year 1794
Baptism date 29 Jun 1794
Residence West Derby, Lancashire, England
Father's first name(s) Charles
Father's last name Molyneux
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Mother's last name --
This should make interesting reading for all the Molys.
Response 13 David Molyneux
David Molyneux Its funny how the Christian names Robert, Charles and Edward seem
to proliferate in the Molyneux families. Mine too.
Response 14 Shirley Grey
ARCHIVE.ORG Full text of "History, genealogical and biographical, of the Molyneux families"
Response 15 Gill Molyneux
William (aka The Bastard) of Normandy- and yes he really was. Responsible for the'
harrying of the North". Almost wiped out the Anglo Saxons of the North who had backed
King Harold. Apparently Molyneux name came from "de Moulins" who came out within
the Norman retinue. Quite an embarrassment really being related to an absolute bastard!
Response 16 Richard Ⓥ Molyneux
My father (yes, another David - www.facebook.com/david.molyneux.92) and I visited the seat
of the Sefton Molyneuxs as part of the IMFA's grand tour years back :-)
Response 17 Meg Molyneux
IMFA is a good source of info for our clan.
Response 18 David Molyneux
Yes, and Richard is another regular Molyneux Christian name, I think.
Response 19 Richard Ⓥ Molyneux
Yes, our family tree has lots of Richards, but that was only realised years after
I'd been named; a happy coincidence.
Response 20 Bobby Mullenix
The spelling is actually French but modern English is a mix of French and isch <sic>
I believe. But yes, a very large old Norman family. With amazing history, and I
do believe it's the largest family name on earth. I descended from the Norman Irish
line, there are many more. But we can all be traced back to Sur siene valley in
Molyneaux Normandy. Several very historic church's built in our name have stood
for nearly a thousand years. I have seen some genealogy of the family going back
to Norway, not sure how accurate it is. And coming to Normandy with the Vikings,
where the family was given land in exchange for protection of a castle. The ruins
of which are still there today. There is also a website and magazine dedicated to
the family and all of its branch's. We are one of the largest, oldest and most unique
families ever to be documented to this point. I'd love to see a gathering in France
with all those that share our name in every branch and form. The names of Richard,
Robert and Thomas are also pretty historic in the family. Has been in my line as
well. I do believe there are several knights Templars who made those names famous.
My brother is Richard and I am Thomas Robert, our line came to America from Ireland
in 1603. Every generation in my known family history has a Thomas Robert, Richard
and a William even though the name of William has itself gone through many different
spellings and pronunciation.
Response 21 David Molyneux
Very interesting Bobby. Are you a member of IMFA and do you know Wayne Straight
who has done extensive research on the family name too.
Response 22 Bobby Mullenix
No not yet, I've got them on fb recently but am not a member. I don't know Wayne,
but thank you for sharing. Until a few years ago it was very difficult to do research
on the family name. Most of what I know was passed down through my grandparents.
Such a large and rather impressive name. Although spellings have changed they all
lead back to Normandy, Hastings and Sefton. I can't wait to travel and visit the
town's and church's especially Croxteth. Sur Siene maritime in Normandy. I've connected
with several folks on FB with Molyneux spellings and several others. I even heard
a story about one Lord of Sefton contributing to the abdication of Edward Vlll of
England. A lot of info on the family has become very easy to find and can become
a little overwhelming. Trying to stay within spelling parameters gets a bit difficult.
But generally all lead to the same place and time. I think I read somewhere that
there are an estimated 67,000 living people who share the name in one form or another
that can be traced back to William.
Response 23 David Molyneux
I think you and Wayne Straight have a huge database of knowledge to share about
the family name. I was made the Scarisbrick representative of The Molyneux line
for the IMFA. I have met a few Molyneux's and relatives, usually wives who share
a similar interest in the family line. The secretary of IMFA Betty Brown is very
knowledgeable about the Lord Sefton line. You might like to share your research
with her. It might bring up something new for both of you.
Response 24 Bobby Mullenix
Yes, that would be great! Will definitely look them up and see if I can learn something.
Very important to me to know my ancestors. More people in America need to learn
their family history and heritage. Thank you Sir for sharing and will definitely
try to connect with them.
Response 25 Dave Molyneux
I've just tracked the family name back further it stems from a town called Molyneux
in South Africa that apparently predates 1066.
Response 26 Meg Molyneux
Really? What's the story?
Response 27 Dave Molyneux
Both me and my sister were both born with hearing problems and the ENT surgeon who
operated on both of us was an South African gentleman who was also named Molyneux.
He was named after his father who ancestrally built the town of Molyneux in South
Africa. Apparently it’s not far from Cape Town only small town but a town none the
less I think it’s safe to say seeing as Africa is considerably older than England
descendants of the name Molyneux some may or may not have descended from Africa
(not being racist but it explains my nose :) it’s not what anyone could or would
call "Roman" lol)
It’s now a nature reserve here’s a link
Response 28 Meg Molyneux
Gosh, that's really interesting, hadn't heard of a South African place named Molyneux.
Thanks, I'll take a look.
Response 29 David Molyneux
Did you know that the Earls of Sefton had a congenital ear defect. My sister had
an identical problem. Yours wasn't congenital too by any chance, was it. It is in
the Molyneux DNA I have recently discovered.
Response 30 Dave Molyneux
Was it an excess of fluid build-up in the inner ear that could only be treated at
the time with grommets? If so, yes both me and my sister had the same condition.
Response 31 David Molyneux
Don't know, but I don't think so. It was pretty serious, for my sister I believe.
It was Wayne Straight that brought the DNA problem to my notice. I asked my sister
who asked her doctor who said it was probably a genetic problem. It had a very complicated
name. I could find out the name, if you like.
Response 32 Elizabeth Molyneux-Dickinson
Elizabeth Molyneux-Dickinson Thats interesting about deafness my Grandfather Mx
was very deaf, also an aunt, my father slightly deaf and I seem to be also slightly
hard of hearing.
Response 33 Meg Molyneux
Oh that is pertinent to our Molyneux family too. Three of my aunts were deaf as
they aged, and my great grandmother, Sina, wife of Robert Molyneux, was remembered
by these aunts and my father, as being very deaf from quite a young age. They remembered
her as a bad-tempered woman but was really just isolated.
Response 34 Tracy Molyneux
Does anyone have someone who is color blind, or have Lupus in the family?
Response 35 Meg Molyneux
Tracy Molyneux My father was mildly colour blind, couldn't distinguish between blue
and green. No lupus though.
Response 36 Tracy Molyneux
Meg Molyneux my father is too. I have a slight problem with secondary colors.
Response 37 David Molyneux
Dave Molyneux I think so, but can’t be sure. I know my sister’s problem went on
for a while, then had to have an op. To remove something. Now she is totally deaf
in that ear and wears a hearing aid too.